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    EXPLAINER: Questioning Blurs Meaning of ‘Lawful but Awful’ | U.S. News®


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    By KATHLEEN FOODY, Associated Press

    CHICAGO (AP) — Jurors in the trial of a former Minneapolis police officer charged in George Floyd’s death have spent the week listening to testimony from leaders of the city’s department and national experts on use of force.

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    On Wednesday, testimony briefly touched on a phrase that has become a short-hand description for the type of police interactions that spur protests and demands for change in cities across the U.S.: “Lawful but awful.”


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    Jody Stiger, a Los Angeles Police Department sergeant, served as a prosecution witness on use of force by police. Stiger testified on Wednesday that the force Chauvin used against Floyd was excessive based on his review of video evidence.

    Chauvin’s defense attorney, Eric Nelson, later asked Stiger about police uses of force sometimes being described as “lawful but awful,” including in a training presentation Stiger has used. Nelson reversed the phrase once to “awful but lawful,” as did one of the prosecuting attorneys.

    Stiger conceded that “you can have a situation where by law it looks horrible to the common eye, but based on the state law, it’s lawful.”

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    The phrase doesn’t seem to have a long history.

    But the Washington, D.C.-based think tank on policing used the term in a widely-read 2016 report recommending more training and de-escalation strategies to prevent officers from having to use force, popularizing the term.

    Wexler said the phrasing refers to shootings that meet the conditions laid out in a 1989 Supreme Court decision, allowing police to use force they see as reasonable. So, a shooting can be deemed legal and still be objectively awful for everyone involved.

    Wexler and his organization consider the Supreme Court’s parameters to be “the floor, not the ceiling” and have called for police policies and training to go beyond it, particularly in encounters with people who are mentally ill and not armed with a gun.

    “These are situations where the police go to someone’s house and someone’s in crisis,” he said. “The outcome is a tragedy for everyone — for the family and also for the police officer who doesn’t want to take someone’s life.”

    Peter Moskos, a professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice and a former Baltimore police officer, said the “lawful but awful” distinction isn’t likely to enter into police officers’ shop talk. Police are more likely to use terms like “good” or “bad,” meaning justified or not after a coworker fires on someone.

    The concept also has been applied to topics outside policing, including drone warfare and legal industries like gambling or tobacco that can cause broad harm.


    Nelson has argued that Chauvin followed his training and he has suggested that the illegal drugs in Floyd’s system and his underlying health conditions are what killed him, not Chauvin’s knee. His broad suggestion that a police officer’s actions could be seen as “awful” while still being lawful fits into that argument.

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    But prosecutors have relied on some of the most experienced members of the Minneapolis department, including the police chief, to testify that Chauvin’s actions were excessive and contrary to his training and departmental policy.

    Jurors historically have believed officers’ accounts of their actions during violent or fatal accounts, but legal experts have questioned whether Chauvin can make that argument. Prosecutors have repeatedly emphasized that Chauvin used his knee to pin Floyd’s neck to the ground for more than 9 minutes.

    Wexler said that’s why the “lawful but awful” concept “doesn’t apply at all” to Chauvin’s case.

    “Lawful but awful happens when you have some kind of situation where the officer feared for their life,” he said. “That didn’t happen here … that’s why this case is different. This is a man on the ground, handcuffed with his face down with someone with his knee on him for nine minutes.”

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